That is my perception of the gender language “controversy” on BBB and perhaps one reason “why some people are uncomfortable discussing gender accuracy in Bible translation.”

My guess is that there are reasons why some people are uncomfortable discussing gender accuracy in Bible translation. I am not sure if it is just solidarity with the perceived status quo or what it is.

Gender language is essentially an accuracy issue. There was really no option but to work through TC’s question point by point. I accept your apology but I deeply regret that you do not share an interest in seeing that half the human race are fairly represented in Bible translation.

I apologize to you and Peter for the wording of my comments, but I reserve the right to express myself as I see fit on my blog. Usually that is mild mannered to a fault; sometimes I may offend. I’m not above discussing the latter and I will never disable or delete comments to what I post here.

Did you actually want me to say to TC that we would not be able to discuss it because ES might find it “off-putting?”

Of course not. My criticism was that your discussion swung the focus of the post away from the broader question of shibboleths that Wayne was asking (and restated in a comment above):

I wanted to keep the post focused on shibboleths we use to maintain group solidarity and to keep out those who we feel don’t belong. And, specifically, I wanted to focus the shibboleths on those used about Bible versions.

I’m glad to see that there has been additional discussion of the topic.

With respect to your research and writing, you should pursue publication. I know that there are a great number of topics that I am not able to properly engage unless I’m away from the hustle and bustle of online discussion, and I suspect that I’m not alone in that.

That said, I will be honest and say that gender issues are not a priority topic for me, just as I fully expect that the discussions of preterist eschatology on this blog are met with equal indifference by those without an interest. And sometimes with criticism by those with a different interest.

Clearly the use of the term “gender crew” or “gender bunch” is not complimentary. Neither is “hijackers” or “bickerers” I was hurt by these remark. Peter reacted similary, in remarking that he has written a great deal on other issues. You made both of us uncomfortable.

Next, the gender discussions are with respect to fair representation of women. Therefore it has to do with my gender. You say that this is off-putting. Fine, don’t read it. The calibre of my posts on gender are the equal of anything published in a journal and are all original research. What I have to say ought to be written. But if it is not of interest to you, by all means don’t read it.

In addition, TC, brought up a point about the expression “man of God” that I had not read about before. I found it very interesting and worthy of discussion. Did you actually want me to say to TC that we would not be able to discuss it because ES might find it “off-putting?”

We have never before blogged about 1 Tim. 3:17 on the BBB. I am shocked at the level of courtesy or lack thereof.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself, ES. Why can’t you just watch politely when a woman asks for accuracy and justice in Bible translation. I really can hardly believe what I read here. I am not asking you to support justice for women, neither you nor Nick. But you could at least politely leave the room without mocking.

Please tell me what in my post has anything to do with your gender and/or is mocking. I noted that (in my opinion) the comments to Wayne’s original post seemed to have veered off topic to his original question. Other than particular word choices that may or may not have been over the top, I fail to see what you’re accusing me of.

And on gender - someone has to do it.

And that’s the simple observation. That certain folks do it… a lot.